Tax return deadline looms as 45% still need to file
Time is ticking for 5.4 million taxpayers who have until 31 January to complete their tax return, as HMRC reports filing rates tracking at a similar level as last year despite Covid disruptions.
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We're holding steady on filing numbers out of the 600 we file each year - but only because my staff worked their a***s off non stop since March 2020 and I worked over Christmas. Now Rishi has introduced more measures this week, we're being inundated with queries on top of the tax returns.
I've written to my clients and told them that I will file a provisional return based on 2019 if I don't have info in by 11th Jan. I'm not killing myself for them or HMRC but I'm also not going to store up trouble by relying on HMRC granting penalty appeals if the deadline is missed. I don't trust them and they can't open a letter within two months as it is right now. I also think it will increase risk of enquiry.
Had two letters from them yesterday - one dated November in response to my letter in Jan 2020, another dated December from my letter in March. None of our loss claims have been processed in 9 months. Sod them and their 31st Jan deadline. Why should I put myself through this just because clients don't cooperate and HMRC rely on us to do half their (unpaid) work for them which sets us back?! Then give us no support when it comes to the crunch.
Spot on!
Actually I like your provisional return idea - I usually try to make them as accurate as possible but sod that this year - my mental and physical health comes first!!
I trust you will be asking clients to approve these “provisional” returns before you submit them?
I don't file a darn thing without my clients seeing and approving it after an explanation.
So Accountants are immune to covid then? We have to deal with furlough ssp covid reclaims vat changes eat out grants loans and lockdowns not to mention emails hmrc essays worried clients all hours. Surely an extension would not hurt ! We have had little or no time to cope with changes and had to put work on back burner to keep clients afloat that was more important then ticking box. If clients fold they wont get any money! Ontop of this waiting for auth.codes delayed in xmas post and hours waiting on hmrc phone lines! We are normal human beings not robots! Work with us !!!!!
I think the answer here is to do the best we can but I am sure that HMRC will announce a cancellation of late filing penalties a few days before the 31st January 2021 for perhaps a period of up to three months. To me this is inevitable as HMRC simply do not have the resources to deal with tens of thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of appeals as they are struggling at the moment to deal with day to day matters.
Let's hope you're right Tornado!
It does make sense as that way they have the power to make everyone think they're not cancelling them automatically so everyone works their backsides off to meet the deadline and that way as few as possible are submitted late.
I think the reason the tax return figures are roughly the same as last year is that a lot of Agents are doing what I and other posters are doing and that is putting in estimated (provisional) figures on the return. HMRC should be able to tell us how many returns have the "estimated figures" box ticked or is that another too complicated task for Jimbo.
Do folk really estimate tax return figures and file them with a month still to go ?
What a weird thing to do !
Maybe in the light of SEISS issues earlier this year, it could be wise to overestimate your profits. You never know when that might come in useful ........
I posted my feelings on a previous thread but I will repeat them. This is a one off and Jimbo has said that if the tax returns are in late HMRC will accept covid as a reasonable excuse to appeal the penalty.
Jimbo has also said that if you tell HMRC that your return will be in late because of...…………… they can set a flag so that a penalty is not issued yet he refuses to extend the late filing penalty until the end of March or February even.. Are you still with me on this one? I do not trust HMRC one iota. There are clients of many agents that will not be able to file by 31st Jan due to covid (in one way shape or form) so in order to avoid a penalty, appeal and possibly FTT it is easier (on this one occasion) to estimate, then put real figures in when available. I call that common sense not weird.
I call that common sense not weird.
No - I still don't get it. I wouldn't file a provisional return a month before I needed to file.
Agents work in different ways. I took a pragmatic view, discussed the situation with clients, and came to the conclusion that it would be better to put estimates (provisional) figures for those that, through covid, might not be able to meet the deadline. What I have done negates any last minute rush and possible errors on both sides. I do not trust HMRC to say covid will be treated as a valid excuse for late filing. Nor do I think that, if the deadline was to be extended or penalties automatically waived, clients would take advantage. I don't have those sort of clients. So I called being weird, common sensical and flexible. Don't forget this is a one off.
I have occasionally had to use the estimated box in the past but I couldn't see it on there this year, which page is it on? (Of course I may just be going blind with the amount of slogging of guts that has been going on)
I have occasionally had to use the estimated box in the past but I couldn't see it on there this year, which page is it on? (Of course I may just be going blind with the amount of slogging of guts that has been going on)
Page 8, box 20. But the real question is where does it appear in your software package ?
Doh! I knew it was there somewhere. I just have to click my software over to view the tax return pages rather than the simple version and there it is. Thank you. I have a feeling it may come in useful this year.