Will RTI reporting changes improve data quality?
HMRC may be committed to improving the data it collects, but the new requirements might be a touch too far for some payroll service providers.
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What's the point, they don't even use the data they get know for anything of use.
Sometimes takes six months to get previous tax year's Employment API data!
This was a big concern and something we are definitely keen to understand from HMRC. What will this data actually be used for? At the moment that is unclear beyond "improving the data that is held by HMRC".
This was a big concern and something we are definitely keen to understand from HMRC. What will this data actually be used for? At the moment that is unclear beyond "improving the data that is held by HMRC".
6 months? It has taken them 18 months to respond to my request, and it is clear from my attempts at correcting our PAYE records on HMRC’s side that their current systems are creaking. Data comes in and is transferred from one legacy system to another, and HMRC staff are unable to explain why this is not a perfect process where some transactions get stuck and don’t make it through to the online account. It would be nice if they can sort this out before asking for more data!
So under MTD all our transactions have to be digitally linked (not even cut & paste), but HMRC can do what the hell they like. Any then they wonder why we complain!
If resources could be focused on solving the numerous problems HMRC already have it would be appreciated.
Breaking new ground simply in order to sow more weeds is really not necessary.
There surely has to be questions about purpose and proportionality, not to mention cost. Why do I sense scope creep?
One really needs to read this article a few times to realise the complete and utter waste of time in detracting resources to come up with unreliable results following another HMRC whim.
For anyone who has read the Consultation , the joke is in the Revenue thought process in collecting such data is to ''........build a trusted modern tax administration.........and enable better outcomes for
''customers''.....'
Come on Mathew, was it really a good idea to succumb to the request to form a think tank for this specific issue whereas a think tank into generally improving the way HMRC is administered would have been the correct way forward ?
We absolutely think it is a good idea to take the opportunity available to us to provide HMRC with feedback on specific issues. This doesn’t mean that we also don’t feedback about general administration and customer service issues. The CIPP sits on a number of HMRC forums for specific and general issues around payroll and will continue to feedback concerns in the best avenues possible to represent our members and the wider payroll community as best as possible.
There were some very interesting points made by attendees on the sessions which were delivered directly to the representatives for HMRC. It would be irresponsible not to give our members that opportunity and have HMRC charge forward with reduced information about the actual impacts these proposals would have.
We were lucky to have Angela MacDonald, Deputy Chief Executive and Second Permanent Secretary at HMRC, deliver a talk at our annual conference; she provided an honest and frank account of HMRC’s current struggles and issues. The concerns of payroll professionals are not going unnoticed and the CIPP will continue to be a ‘critical friend’ to HMRC, balancing understanding of the constraints they are under while pushing for better outcomes for taxpayers and employers.
As we continue to work alongside HMRC, we hope to be invited to form think tanks with our members around a number of issues and will gladly accept in order to give the payroll profession a voice.
If you have any concerns that we could raise with HMRC please do feel free to email [email protected]. We can’t promise that it will be resolved, but we can pass the feedback along and use your information as part of future engagement and consultations.
With the greatest respect to what you are trying to achieve, Mathew, I and many others have found that HMRC just aren't interested. Apparently they see posts on this site so they know the problems, but choose to totally ignore what we say. Even the PAC have stated that things ain't right.
Let's look at it from another angle. What should HMRC be doing and what is getting them into trouble?
They should be investigating and collecting.
They are trying to administer stuff that will not work MTDQU, IR35, AML etc. etc.
So the answer is very simple. Let us do the admin and decide what will and won't work. (HMRC should not decide employment status, it is a commercial decision).
OK we're not perfect but I'm sure we won't get our tax system in the total shambles it is now.
With HMRC concentration on investigation and collection the coffers should swell unless they [***] that up.
Whenever you start getting rules and regulations "for the benefit of the customer" it doesn't take long before everybody disappears up their own backsides. Soo nobody will be doing any "work" just making sure they're compliant for the sake of compliance.
Totally agree with AdamJones82.
What does HMRC currently use the banding for, and what is the benefit of collecting more detailed data other than for research purposes - zero tangible business benefit.
As a payroll bureau, it would be difficult to obtain this information for salaried staff across all our clients, and highly unlikely to be accurate on a monthly basis.
With luck, the proposal will not make it into a Finance Bill before this rotten government is removed.
Unfortunately it is this "need" for control that is damaging everything. It's worldwide. Time for a "new" way forward.
Key to this is understanding what the data is to be used for and thus how accurate it needs to be. If an employee has a pay rate of say twice the National Minimum Wage then there is no need for hours to assess NMW. Why require everyone to provide hours when they are only relevant in NMW scenarios?
Working remotely is commonplace and many people are in effect paid on the basis of getting the work done rather on hours worked. In these scenarios hour worked become pretty meaningless . It hours become mandaory then the quality of the data is liely to be rubbish
I don't even keep track of the exact hours I work myself, so the figures for my own company will be dodgy before I even look at those of the clients