HMRC fails in pursuit over £182.40 HICBC penalty
After a taxpayer successfully appealed a £182.40 penalty, is the cost to HMRC of administering the HICBC tax barnacle in danger of outweighing the benefits?
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The charge increased by £7 while I was reading it.....
But it's a prime example of poor tax law.
It is a terrible law with all sorts of pitfalls for the unwary.
As to whether HMRC should pursue small amounts, the point made near the end of the article is relevant. If there is a risk of a lot of small amounts not being collected, then that can add up to a substantial sum. Pursuing a single case to establish the small sum is correctly due makes it easier to collect similar amounts by less costly means. Not that HMRC thinking is that joined up of course.
The ultimate "box-ticking" exercise. Which, of course, the public sector is renowned for.
When I worked in asset finance, if someone acknowledged a debt and offered to pay it, we regarded that as 'job done', move on. Only HMRC would pursue a penalty over such a piffling sum
HICBC is a small minded nasty piece of legislation that the Chancellor could sensibly abolish in the Autumn Statement- which seems more likely than applying the same HICBC principles to the state pension and those already receiving £50K in pensions. Both come out of the Benefits budget.
Following the learned judge's reasoning , the logical conclusion is that anyone should escape a HMRC penalty if there is a ''not infallible'' system in place ?
Hopefully Mr Barrett's good news letters were successfully redirected.
This can’t go on, leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the policy (although there are no rights) it is costing taxpayers a fortune to pursue this nonsense.
Another waste of time and money at taxpayers expense.
The whole HICBC system should be scrapped, at this stage it must be costing way more to administer than it 'saves' in clawbacks.
It was an attempt to 'means test' a benefit which has utterly failed.
Despite HICB being introduced in 2013, HMRC has failed to get the message across to taxpayers amongst whom awareness of HICB is all but non-existent. I had a meeting last week with a family who run a business involving multiple generations of the family. We touched on many things including HICB. Not one of them was aware of HICB.
He got lucky with this appeal. As others have said, there have been plenty more taxpayers burned on the bonfire of "lost mail". This one smells "off" to me and is unfair on others who didn't get the appeal cancelled.
That said, a tax charge where someone might not even be living with the recipient is harsh.
Interesting article from Tax Policy Associates here:
https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/11/20/hicbc/?utm_source=substack&utm_m...
and FT here (paywall):
https://www.ft.com/content/93258d2b-7d22-4e18-a23b-835e12c49b15?utm_sour...
Agree. Whatever the rights and wrongs of restricting Child Benefit for high earners, this is totally cack-handed. As well as the high marginal rates in the linked articles, compare
- H earns £52,000, W is stay-at-home parent, total income £52,000, HICBC applies
- H and W each earn £49,000, total income £98,000 - No HICBC
(gender stereotyping acknowledged)
We live in a bizarre society where we feel obliged to acknowledge that we are referring to the norm, and that there could be alternative scenarios!
We all know that tax law is full of over complicated rules and should be simplified. Then you could make a better case for charging and chasing penalties.
But where can anyone justify taking such a small amount to a tribunal,what happened to good management and common sense?
In response to a couple of comments casting doubt on the issue of failures in mail forwarding, having used the Royal Mail forwarding service a number of times I can confirm that it is far from infallible, and not only can items with slightly different addresses than those logged fail to be forwarded (e.g. a different combination of middle initials, or even the spelling of a title) but mail that is addressed entirely in line with the forwarding instruction can, for no obvious reason, be delivered to the old address and not forwarded. It is not a remotely reliable service.
Just to add fuel to the fire, my mum lives in Bicknacre and on more than one occasion her birthday card has not arrived.
Fast forward to 2023 and the delivery performance of Royal Mail is dire. In our area the policy is clearly; to store up more than one days mail and deliver no more than twice each week. It's no different for commercial operations, where they deliver.
Let's not overlook the cost. £1.25 for "first class" mail!
Like many elements of the "Great" British activities, it isn't working and desperately needs fixing. Just like HMRC.
PLEASE - use Proper English language as in your headline.
One appeals AGAINST anything.
One does not "appeal a penalty" [or whatever]. It's an adjective and needs an extra description -
says The GoodEnglish Professor
But since you can correctly say you "appealed (against the penalty) to HMRC", why can't you simply and correctly say that you "appealed the penalty" as shorthand for that state of affairs (especially as headlines are usually forced to use such shorthand)?
And as noted below isn't it a verb in this context anyway as in "concede" is a verb, so you can concede (and appeal) a penalty (like in football)?
From LexisNexis (in the context of employment law):
What does Appeal mean?
The process by which an employee appeals the decision of an employer
Other sources are available
To be honest, I should probably favour the use of "against" since that appears to be the correct King's English, whereas dropping the "against" seems to be an Americanism, and everyone knows how much I hate the use of such in our language. But then I didn't know that until now so perhaps I'll forget that I ever read it and carry on appealing fines and penalties.
I cannot understand why HMRC is sending letters to the Tax Payer for HICBC? HMRC should have adjusted his tax code accordingly for his PAYE income. It is a much better idea rather than failed communication channel.
If he was not under PAYE then it should have been under self assessment for which tax payer need to do a tax return.
"It was only when Mr Barrett submitted an online form on 20 April 2021 claiming tax relief on allowable expenses for the tax year 2020/21 that HMRC became aware of his new address."
Which does rather suggest he was in PAYE, otherwise he would have made a return every year.
Interesting article about marginal rates - up to 96%....
https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/11/20/apology/?utm_source=substack&utm...
I agree that the postal forwarding is not infallible but it would be helpful if HMRC worked on improved updating of addresses on their numerous databases. PAYE information doesn't seem to be used for this.
I know it's not directly relevant but after being retired for 5 years and despite my best efforts, I am still receiving mail for a few clients.