Seize the moment for SEISS 4
Liz Whiteley summarises the key conditions surrounding the latest phase of the self-employed income support scheme.
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"Must have reasonable belief there will be a significant reduction in trading profits due to reduced self-employed income (not just increased costs) because of reduced business activity, capacity, demand or inability to trade due to coronavirus"
Do we know for what period this is relevant? Presumably the period 1/2/21 to 30/4/21?
Reasonable belief
In order to claim the fourth grant, you must reasonably believe that you’ll suffer a significant reduction in trading profits, due to reduced business activity, capacity, demand or inability to trade due to coronavirus between 1 February 2021 and 30 April 2021. You must keep evidence that shows how your business has been impacted by coronavirus resulting in less business activity than otherwise expected.
HMRC expects you to make an honest assessment about whether you reasonably believe your business will have a significant reduction in profits.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-a-grant-through-the-coronavirus-covid-...
If profits are usually around say £25000 and these are reduced because of lower turnover and increased costs to say £13000 BUT, they received the business rates grant of £10000 which effectively means they have a taxable profit of £23000, can the 4th SEIS still be claimed?
If you're still preparing your follow-on article for next week, it might be worth finding out what's going on with regards to any 'new parent' rules for the 4th round.
I've no idea myself, but the GOV.UK updates at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/help-and-support-if-your-business-is-affecte... show:
* 20 April 2021:
A YouTube video about 'Self-Employment Income Support Scheme (SEISS) – Claiming the fourth grant if you’re a new parent' has been added.
* But later the same day a further update was added:
The YouTube video about 'Self-Employment Income Support Scheme (SEISS) – Claiming the fourth grant if you’re a new parent' has been removed!
So what changed?
@ Hugo Fair.
I trust that the following two links will assist – the first is to the relevant GOV.UK guidance and the second to guidance from LITRG:-
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-different-circumstances-affect-the-self-...
https://www.litrg.org.uk/tax-guides/coronavirus-guidance/self-employment...
[The third section of the GOV.UK guidance is of course the relevant section].
Basil.
"Eligibility is determined by HMRC and only applies to those whose 2019/20 tax returns were submitted before 3 March 2021."
A friend of mine (who should perhaps have used an accountant!) files his own tax return. He's now found out that whilst he loaded all the information on-line at HMRC and thought he had pressed the submit button, he either didn't or did and something went wrong. Since he didn't get a late filing penalty in February (which ordinarily he would have) he had no idea this had happened and his first knowledge of this was when he applied for the SEISS grant in April.
He now finds he isn't eligible for the 4th grant and I didn't have the heart to tell him that as far as I can see he won't be eligible for the 5th grant either.
OK, on the one hand he should have done things properly but on the other this seems a massive financial penalty for what seems to have been an honest mistake.
He's asked me if there is any appeal process at all but I'm not aware of one. Anyone hear different?
I have a client who has not claimed SEISS before as he only started self employment in 2018/9. He works as a self employed person in a tattoo parlour which has ben closed during the lockdown periods. During those periods he had no income from that source of income. However, rather than doing nothing he found himself other self employed income meaning that his income from February 2021 to April 2021 has not gone down. There is no doubt that he lost income from the tattoo parlour self employed income. On that basis, can he claim SEISS 4? Would the answer be any different if he was employed under PAYE in those periods when he could not go to the tattoo parlour?
I have a client who has not claimed SEISS before as he only started self employment in 2018/9. He works as a self employed person in a tattoo parlour which has ben closed during the lockdown periods. During those periods he had no income from that source of income. However, rather than doing nothing he found himself other self employed income meaning that his income from February 2021 to April 2021 has not gone down. There is no doubt that he lost income from the tattoo parlour self employed income. On that basis, can he claim SEISS 4? Would the answer be any different if he was employed under PAYE in those periods when he could not go to the tattoo parlour?
@ ozzie1952.
I assume that (as appears implied in your question) (i) the Self-Employment profits have been well below £50K p.a; (ii) the 2019/20 Tax Return was submitted by 2 March 2021; and (iii) the client prepares Self-Employment figures up to any date from 31 March to 5 April each year [the dates 5 and 6 April per (iii) below assume 5 April to apply].
On those assumptions, and if I fully understand your question, I consider that your client will be entitled to claim SEISS 4, on the following conditions:-
(i) The 2019/20 Self-Employment profit was at least equal to the Other Taxable Income in 2019/20 [or, if not so, albeit less likely, taking the tax years 2018/19 and 2019/20 together).
(ii) The client expects to continue in Self-Employment in (but not necessarily throughout) 2021/22.
(iii) The “Turnover shortfall” in the period 1 February 2021 to 30 April 2021 (ie the difference between (a) the actual Turnover in that period and (b) the Turnover which would have arisen had Coronavirus not impacted on his business income) was “significant” in relation to his Self-Employment income in (a) the period 1 February 2021 to 5 April 2021 and/or (b) the period 6 April 2021 to 30 April 2021.
It is of course the “significant” element of (iii) which is, being subjective at best, a potential problem in principle: in your client’s case, however, and somewhat “reading between the lines” of your question, I would not think that this nebulous “significant” factor would be a problem.
I have referred above to a reduction in “Turnover”. The legislation actually refers to a reduction in “activity, capacity or demand” (in normal cases, one can realistically interpret that phrase as “Turnover”).
My above answers would be unaffected if the client had been “employed under PAYE in those periods”.
As a separate point, I assume that the client did not qualify under SEISS 1/2/3 due to his failing the “50%” test in 2018/19 (presumably due to his Employment income in that year exceeding his Self-Employment income).
Basil.
Wasn't ozzie1952 asking whether the client would be able to claim if he had started a new self-employed business? ie. his profit from tattooing is significantly reduced, but his overall profit may not be because of the new employment.
I'm interested in the answer because I have 7 clients who are tattoo artists, who have all turned their hands to other work while not able to tattoo.